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Q1: Why is the article titled "Chinese Communist Party" when the party's official name in English is the "Communist Party of China"?

A1: The name "Chinese Communist Party" is more commonly used by reliable sources in the English language. Consensus on the current title was reached on 23 July 2020 (see discussion). As of May 2024, there have been five failed proposals to revert this decision due to a lack of policy-based arguments (i.e. pertaining to WP:MOVE) on the part of the proposers.

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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Logs and discussions:

Move logs: Communist Party of China
Chinese Communist Party

Discussions:

RM, Communist Party of China → Chinese Communist Party, No consensus, 6 September 2009, discussion
RM, Communist Party of China → Chinese Communist Party, Moved, 16 July 2020, discussion
- MRV, Communist Party of China → Chinese Communist Party, Endorsed, 25 July 2020, discussion
RM, Chinese Communist Party → Communist Party of China, Not moved, 21 January 2021, discussion
RM, Chinese Communist Party → Communist Party of China, Not moved, 9 July 2022, discussion
RM, Chinese Communist Party → Communist Party of China, Not moved, 19 October 2022, discussion
RM, Chinese Communist Party → Gongchandang, Withdrawn, 8 February 2023, discussion
RM, Chinese Communist Party → Communist Party of China, Not moved, 4 May 2023, discussion
RM, Chinese Communist Party → Communist Party of China, Not moved, 27 October 2023, discussion

Add notes to Communism and Marxism in the infobox

In Wikipedia, we do not really care about official party stances on their ideology, but rather we analyze them and reach consensus. While its true that until 80s the party had a communist economy, since Deng Xiaoping reforms, the party do not follow communism of any nature. Instead, consensus among scholar is that the CCP has a state capitalist and pragmatic orientation.

My propose is to mark somehow in the infobox that communism and marxism are not anymore de facto ideologies of the party. This can be done with a note next to each ideology in the infobox, explaining the party turnaround in the 80s. What do you think. FCBWanderer (talk) 16:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't recommend. First is a misunderstanding of Wiki principles: we do not ourselves analyze stances -- that's OR or SYNTH. We seek to reflect them according to due weight in reliable sources.

I do agree with scholarly consensus of the CPC's pragmatic orientation. I don't think that works well in the infobox, however.

There is not, however, a consensus that the CPC is "state capitalist". Although that is one interpretation among many, it falls far short of consensus.

Overall, I do not suggest trying to achieve too much in infoboxes given the limited space and lack of room for nuance. And they are a continual breeding ground for contention. JArthur1984 (talk) 16:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also do not support such explanatory notes in the infobox solely because it sets a precedent for all political parties to have analyses and critiques in the infobox. Yue🌙 19:08, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Rush Limbaugh/Chicom" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Rush Limbaugh/Chicom has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 6 § Rush Limbaugh/Chicom until a consensus is reached. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:58, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CPC. Communist Party of China.

This is the official name. The way US press and public refers to it does not change the fact. The articule title should be Communist Party of China. 2A0C:5A85:D500:EE00:984:A7CA:3925:1FB9 (talk) 00:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sympathetic because you're not wrong. But please read the FAQ at the top. If this is to change it will require someone to put the effort into a policy based argument for the change that supersedes the 2020 commonname decision. Simonm223 (talk) 13:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We do not say it is not official. We do not even try to hide that form from the reader. All we do is use the form commonly used by most native English speakers. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:33, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I actually did a bit of digging on this recently and, among academics, it is not the form most commonly used with academic work slightly favoring CPC over CCP. It was a pretty significant split - like a 40-60 sort of thing - so I don't know how compelling that would be to some of the more set-in-their-was members of this page. But it is true that we have this wrong. I don't think it's a significant enough error to go to the mattresses over but it's still an error. Simonm223 (talk) 13:45, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And general use is almost entirely CCP. So I don't see how your point matters.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:49, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That unsubstantiated belief is exactly why we are going to continue to be embarrassingly wrong about this minor point. And us page-watchers will continue to have to field comments that correctly point out we're wrong about this. Simonm223 (talk) 13:51, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, we will contine to have to deal with questions like this because people don't understand that "official name" doesn't count for much. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I literally did the numbers on common use in academic sources. The claim that the global public prefers CCP is based, as far as I can tell, entirely on vibes. Simonm223 (talk) 13:57, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is clear that we should use the correct page title and correct CPC acronym. I do not fully understand the intensity that frequently arises on this issue. Both formulations are common in English. Neither will create confusion. "CCP"-proponents put too much weight on their mathematical impression on common name. Where we have multiple common names, we should be more precise and use the correct one. I do not understand why we would want to be imprecise on so simple a point.

These questions will come up again and again until the page title is correct as it once was. I do not know, however, when the proper time for the formal discussion should be. JArthur1984 (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]