Talk:Easter

The premise of the entire page is wrong.

I don't know your protocols.

I am a Christian, and things mentioned on this page seem almost totally Catholic (and maybe some Orthodox religions, and Lutheran churches go part way on these subjects), but not Christian at all.

Most Christians do not celebrate Passover, Pentecost (those are Jewish holidays), Lent, or Ash Wednesday. We don't know Pasha, whatever that is. We don't fast, and we don't do penance. Again, these are Catholic things, which the Bible does not tell us to copy. In fact, we were told in the beginning to not celebrate days, especially not Easter or Christmas. (Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.) Instead, Christians celebrate Jesus every day.

It would be much better to just call Easter a holiday celebrated by Catholics and some other faiths but leave most Christians out. Even some of the pictures seem Catholic or Orthodox. Many Christian churches don't even have a cross so that we don't start worshipping that. We also do not worship Mary or any saints (we Christians are all saints). Christian baptism must be by immersion. Catholics stopped doing that hundreds of years ago because one man was too sick to get in the water. We also don't worship a pope nor confess to a priest. Also, the Church is the bride of Christ. That means Christians, not nuns. Christians and Catholics are like oil and water.

If you have questions, I am ChristianLady5151 ChristianLady5151 (talk) 03:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

While you are perfectly entitled to it, your concept of what a Christian is seems a particularly narrow one. Wikipedia takes the broader position expressed in our article on the Christian Church. HiLo48 (talk) 03:46, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

My concept of what a Christian is comes from the New Testament. I didn't make it up. And, yes, it is narrow. "The way" is narrow. Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. ChristianLady5151 (talk) 03:56, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

This article maintains the neutrality requirement of Wikipedia. It covers the wide range of Christian responses to the festival, including non-celebration. However, most branches of the Christian church do make some form of celebration. Based on the population figures given in the article Christianity, that's at least 90% of Christians. This talk page is not the place to soapbox a particular strand of Christianity. Neutrality is expected here as well. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:40, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

There is very little on the page that is neutral. What caught my attention in the first place is the overwhelming amount of Catholic terms. ChristianLady5151 (talk) 04:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm not Catholic, and most of that is very comprehensible to me, brought up in the Protestant tradition in Australia. You must know that Catholics regard themselves as Christians too, as do all Protestants and Orthodox members. Wikipedia cannot write as if they're not. HiLo48 (talk) 04:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I think you miss my point. Catholics may consider themselves Christians, but Christians do not consider themselves Catholics. Catholics do everything differently than Christians that are not Catholic. Absolutely everything. When I was young, the only church where we were vacationing was Catholic. I got in line to take communion. The priest asked me if I was Catholic. When I said no, he pushed me backwards. That was not a Christian way to treat me, and it demonstrates just one of the differences. We even have very different Bibles. ChristianLady5151 (talk) 05:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I fully agree that the behaviour of a lot of people who call themselves Christiaan doesn't satisfy my idea of what Christian should do, but in Wikipedia we go on what reliable sources say. Most say Catholics are Christians. HiLo48 (talk) 05:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I am not trying to imply that they are not Christians, in that they do believe in Christ. But all of their teachings are different than "just plain" Christians. The page implies that we do all the things they do - far from it. "Just plain" Christians do not want to be "accused" of doing things Catholics do and we believe to be sinful. We should not all be lumped together. ChristianLady5151 (talk) 05:24, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

You pretty much state that everyone that isn't in your sect isn't Christian. You flatly contrast Roman Catholics, Orthodox, and Lutherans against Christian, thus, you flatly state that none of those people are Christian. Wikipedia doesn't exist to promulgate your sect over any other. ZabiggyZoo (talk) 16:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Catholics are Christians. SMH. Prots are so narrow minded 166.181.85.58 (talk) 01:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Obviously not all of them. HiLo48 (talk) 22:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Protestants are raised to believe that their religious mumbo jumbo is the only version of Christianity around. Try to tolerate their arrogance. Dimadick (talk) 22:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Ha ha ha. The arrogance you describe there is one of many reasons I fell out of Protestant Christianity as I was growing up. HiLo48 (talk) 23:00, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

You proved my point. We are very different (Catholics and Christians). Ask your priest. And I call myself a Christian because I am also not a Protestant. I am strictly Christian, following only what we are told in the Bible. ChristianLady5151 (talk) 01:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep Christ In Christmas 😇 2600:4040:A15B:800:D518:64BA:71C0:6270 (talk) 04:28, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

It's always wonderful to see the amazing tolerance and humble non-arrogance of non-Christians, expressed in sweeping generalizations. :-)
Now back to what this was about: The premise of this whole thread is simply blatantly wrong, no matter where you stand on the denominational range. Stating that Pentecost is a Jewish holiday is just plain nonsense. It may go by different names in different regions of the world (Whitsunday), but the Jewish holiday its date is based on is not called Pentecost but Shavuot.
"We don't know Pasha, whatever that is", well - aside from the misspelling - you should if you've read your Bible. It's one of the very basic stories of the Bible, and Jesus almost certainly celebrated it.
While I would agree that most Christians probably do not celebrate Passover which definitely is a Jewish holiday, most Christians (not counting the purely nominal ones) do celebrate Lent and Pentecost. These are important traditions in most Protestant churches, and the article is not "Catholic" because it mentions these.
This statement is obviously based on the premise that Catholic, Orthodox, and Lutheran churches are not "Christian at all". Now judging who is Christian and who isn't requires a pope-like position. I do hope that Wikipedia will continue not to claim such a position, and I am surprised at anyone who rants at the Pope while at the same time claiming comparable authority for their own views. --2003:C0:8F13:4A00:20EA:B3CB:862C:5C52 (talk) 10:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I understand the frustration of people who aren't Christian, but the majority of Christians are in fact Roman Catholic and Orthodox. In any case an article like this does not explain the truth of things it explains the reality of things. The reality is that most Christians celebrate Easter. People who call themselves Christian and don't celebrate Easter would be for example Jehovah's Witnesses, Armstrongite Churches of God, etc. I agree with them about things like bunnies and eggs and chocolate, but historically people who lived vegan lives for 40 days were glad to have these things to eat at the end. Commercialized Easter is like commercialized Christmas, it has nothing to do with the actual religious celebrations. 2607:FEA8:FF01:4FA6:8130:9937:2E55:5A2 (talk) 13:20, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Let's start with numbers. According to Pew Research, Catholics make up only 23.9% of Christians. Protestants are at 51.3%, to which they also add Mormons 1.7%, Jehovah's Witnesses 0.7%, Orthodox 0.6%, and Other Christians 0.3%, for a total of 54.6%. Both 51.3% and 54.6% are bigger than 23.9%.

Catholics actually do celebrate and do most things that other Christian denominations do not. We are told many times in the Bible to make no graven or molten images because they become worshipped. Catholic churches are full of pictures and statues.

Catholics call many people saints, including apostles and Mary the mother of Jesus. They have images and statues of them, and they worship them. The Bible instead calls all Christian believers saints.

We do come together on the Lord's day only because that was the day that He was resurrected. Many Christian denominations do not religiously celebrate any days, not even Easter or Christmas. Christ was born, and He was resurrected, which are important facts. But He told us not to celebrate days: not these two nor Pentecost. Mark 2:27 AND HE SAID UNTO THEM, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, AND NOT MAN FOR THE SABBATH. Not even Jewish sabbaths. Instead, Christ is our sabbath.

Galatians 4:9 BUT NOW, AFTER THAT YE HAVE KNOWN GOD, OR RATHER ARE KNOWN OF GOD, HOW TURN YE AGAIN TO THE WEAK AND BEGGARLY ELEMENTS WHEREUNTO YE DESIRE AGAIN TO BE IN BONDAGE? Galatians 4:10  YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.

Colossians 2:16 LET NO MAN THEREFORE JUDGE YOU IN MEAT, OR IN DRINK, OR IN RESPECT OR AN HOLYDAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS.

 

In fact, we are told in the Bible that Christ said not to do most of these things. Matthew 23:9 AND CALL NO MAN YOUR FATHER UPON THE EARTH: FOR ONE IS YOUR FATHER, WHICH IS IN HEAVEN. Yet, the Pope and priests are called Father. On top of that, The pope is referred to as the "Vicar of Christ" because he is considered the earthly representative of Jesus.

Other denominations do not do as the Catholics do, and we find these ways to be sinful. This page needs to be changed to represent only Catholics. ChristianLady5151 (talk) 00:34, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Edit proposal to infobox

Please remove Passover from the "Related to" section of the infobox. (I know the two are linked, as the page states; however, the other holidays in that infobox section are all Christian holidays defined in relation to Easter, and having a Jewish holiday with a different origin listed alongside them is misleading IMO, especially as part of the "leading up to Easter" part of that list.) Oneirocartographer (talk) 20:40, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

 Done I'm inclined to agree. An earlier version of the article included some context for Passover's inclusion in the infobox, but its removal makes the information misleading as you said. I believe the discussion of Passover in the article proper is sufficient and have removed it from the infobox. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 14:52, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Palmarian Church Easter

The Palmarian Church celebrates Easter every year on March 27 - for them it is not movable. https://www.palmarianchurch.org/51st-report-on-the-website-of-the-holy-palmarian-church/ 2607:FEA8:FF01:4FA6:8130:9937:2E55:5A2 (talk) 13:15, 30 March 2025 (UTC)